Talk:Mating of yeast

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There is a lot of pertinent information but I feel that the content in some of the sections is quite repetitive and, as mentioned by others before, not well referenced. T.M. (talk) 19:54, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

This article has a lot of good information, but I think that it could stand to be simplified, with links to more detail explainations for those who want more (e.g. make a mating type switch section, a detailed section on the regulation of a and alpha genes) Sir1 05:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

This article definitely should be simplified and merged with either yeast or Saccharomyces cerevisiae. --LostLeviathan 19:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

This is a nice, possibly graduate level, summary of one of the basic mechanisms of control of gene expression, the concept of how a few 'actors' can produce multiple results, depending on how they interact with each other, and what genetic targets are available. There is more detail on the mechanism of the mating type switch, and why it usually results in a switch of type, in the Lodish reference]18:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Can diploid cells mate? Not clear in the article.129.31.72.52 15:27, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

After the pheromone

Answer to previous question: no, a/α diploids cannot mate.

And I was wondering: there is no discussion of the events that occur after an a meets an α, and that's when things get even more interesting. Woodlore (talk) 01:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Needs updating

For reasons that are not well understood, the repair of the MAT locus after cutting by the HO endonuclease almost always results in a mating type switch.

http://genesdev.cshlp.org/content/12/11/1726.abstract Mcm1 regulates donor preference controlled by the recombination enhancer in Saccharomyces mating-type switching —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.184.111.79 (talk) 18:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

What is the subject?

Is this about Saccharomyces or yeast in general? The article keeps switching back and forth in mid-text.CarlFink (talk) 04:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Bolding

Can someone explain the apparent convention on bolding the a but not the α mating type? There's nothing on it in the article. Kajabla (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The amount of detail in the article is great, but could definitely be more concise. The majority of the article has no references, and while it is extremely detailed about all of the factors and steps leading up to how Saccharomyces mates, the article stops short of explaining the actual mechanism of reproduction, which seems like an extremely important part of your topic, and there is not a single mention of how that mating might physically occur. Ags5930 (talk) 02:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Change of reference style without consensus and contrary to Wikipedia policy

With this edit and the next one, User:Boghog has repeated a behaviour that I have warned him for repeatedly in the past, changing the article's reference style, without consensus and contrary to Wikipedia policy, to Vancouver from the established Last, First style for citation authors. This appears to be a direct violation of WP:CITET, which states in terms "Because templates can be contentious, editors should not add citation templates, or change an article with a consistent citation format to another, without gaining consensus" (its emphasis).

I intend to revert this unjustified (and I believe wholly unjustifiable) change, but wish to hear first if there are any good reasons for such a change here. Further, I'm minded to investigate Boghog's conduct on other articles; I had imagined he had stopped doing this (there was no more trouble in Evolutionary Biology), but it seems I was over-optimistic in this regard. If contrary-to-policy edits are numerous rather than the odd individual mistake, then clearly action would be required to prevent any recurrence. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Before my first edit, for example in this version or this version, the predominate sytle was Vancouver. My edits were to restore that style. Boghog (talk) 13:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(ec)User:Chiswick Chap, the ins and outs of the Vancouver system (which I hadn't heard of until now, haha) go over my head. Whatever Boghog was doing was prompted by the edits by User:RowanJ LP, no? WP:CITEVAR of course is the relevant guideline here and it seems to me that before escalating to AN/ANI you could post on Wikipedia talk:Citing sources, and see what the MOS crowd thinks of this and other cases. If Boghog is indeed making a (disruptive) habit out of changing styles it quickly becomes a matter for one of the noticeboards. Oh, RowanJ, there likely will not be a GA review while there is a dispute like this going on. Drmies (talk) 13:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks. I'll see whether we can't reach an amicable agreement (per the item below, I didn't spot your post at once), but will take your advice as necessary if we can't. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

(the Drmies comment wasn't above before I wrote the following:) User:Boghog: I see; well, at least that sounds superficially reasonable, but those two stages do not prove what you hope they do.

There is no good reason to choose the 2013 version, as the article was still tiny at that stage, and despite being some years old had had less than 100 mainly desultory edits. By the end of 2012, for instance, the article had just one citation, and it had forenames spelt out in full. Indeed, all the Vancouver citations you mention for the 8 December 2013 version were added on that day in a single edit by Chaya5260, hardly an "established style" at that point.

Nobody added any more citations to the article until 30 July 2019 (!) when Artoria2e5 used a mix of ref styles for 13 inline citations, "Doe, JS" (not the Vancouver "Doe JS", and not quite the usual Last, First style "Doe, J.S." either, but intermediate between them: so no "established style" at that point either. Your other diff selects 20 December 2023, at which point the article still has the 13 inline refs added by Artoria2e5 on 30 July 2019, so it doesn't prove anything further.

In short, despite appearances, this article has never had a properly established ref style (so your change was from no-established-style to Vanc, not such a great crime, but without consensus all the same). The recent appearance of the article with Last, First refs is due to RowanJ LP; and the switch to Vancouver, which the article has never used to any great degree, is due to you.

My view in such a case is that since we (finally) have an editor interested enough in the topic to invest the effort to double the article's size and bring it to GAN is that we should let them use whichever ref style they consider appropriate: that style is Last, First. I suggest therefore that we simply revert, assuming good faith from all parties. I do feel that it would be much better, before making such changes, to seek consensus, as policy clearly states (quotation above), and I hope you will take care to do so when changing the ref style in any other article in future. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Boghog, please also note the posting by Drmies above; I hope we can agree on a course of action which will make all that unnecessary (and which will let the GAN proceed). Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:53, 3 June 2024 (UTC)