Talk:Nintendo Switch

"Development" section

In the section on the development of the Nintendo Switch, it makes no mention of the information on its development that was obtained through the Nintendo Gigaleak such as their work with STMicroelectronics (Project INDY, Mont Blanc). Would it be within guidelines to have that information in the article? MrSwedishMeatballs (talk) 18:22, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

We cannot use the leak information directly, we need a reliable source to discuss what was in the leak. Masem (t) 18:50, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Source for 141 million units

I can't find the figure in the PDF that is used on this page for the claim of the console having sold 141.32 million units, seen here - . Unless someone can show the claim of 141.32 million is given within this PDF then I'll look for an alternate source to add to the article to show its current sales figure. Helper201 (talk) 20:13, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I've found a source I'm going to change it to that clearly shows current figures. Helper201 (talk) 20:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

First, never use VGChartz as a source - its wholly unreliable.
Second, someone updated the figures and did add the right ref to the table but did not reuse that same source in the prose. It has been fixed. — Masem (t) 20:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Masem I still can't find the 141.32 million units figure in the source. I've searched the page for "141" and it’s bringing back zero results. Where exactly in the source does it say the Switch has sold a total of 141.32 million units? Also, where are the breakdown sales figures for the standard Switch, OLED and Lite in the PDF? Helper201 (talk) 20:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

First, make sure you are using the updated source here [1] Look at page 14 , and down the column marked "Life to Date". Note that the numbers are in 10,000s of units so the 14,132 total is equal to 141,320,000-some units. — Masem (t) 20:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Reception

Many outlets compared the unit to that of the Steam Deck. Valve stated that by happenstance, they came out with a device that was similar in function to the Switch. The Verge stated that generally, the Steam Deck was a more powerful machine compared to the Switch, but that power came with a tradeoff in battery life which was greater with the Switch. 78.144.96.156 (talk) 16:22, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Since the Deck came after the Switch, it doesn't make sense to make the reverse-order comparison. On the Steam Deck page, comparison to the Switch absolutely makes sense. Masem (t) 16:33, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Predecessor

I went back and read the prior discussion and I don’t understand why we aren’t listing the Wii U *and* the 3DS as a predecessor. On the 3DS page we list the Switch as its successor. I get that the Switch breaks the normal definitions of console and handheld, and Nintendo doesn’t want to put labels on it, but it’s clearly become Nintendo’s de facto handheld too. RickyCourtney (talk) 18:47, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

That the 3DS lists the Switch as a successor doesn't mean that's right. We go by what Nintendo has said in that the Switch's design is a successor of the Wii U, but not the 3DS. Just because it is a handheld system doesn't make it a successor to the last handheld. Masem (t) 21:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

I appreciate Masem's point regarding Nintendo's official stance. However, for our classifications, wouldn't it be beneficial to consider both Nintendo's official statements and the objective continuity within the market? The Switch undeniably fills the role of Nintendo's primary handheld device, a role previously held by the 3DS. By listing both the 3DS and Wii U as predecessors, we provide a more comprehensive picture of Nintendo's history for readers. -- RickyCourtney (talk) 23:06, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

The 3DS is mentioned by name 17 times currently in the article. I don't think there's any real confusion as to its role in relation to the Switch and Nintendo's history. Sergecross73 msg me 10:56, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. That’s why I find it the resistance to listing it as a predecessor in the infobox particularly confounding. RickyCourtney (talk) 15:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

My other concern is that this infobox generally feels way too bloated. Sections like display, dimensions, mass, and others could really be better presented in a side-by-side comparison table in the article (See: Game Boy#Technical specifications for a good example). RickyCourtney (talk) 21:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

The Online services are no longer referred to as the "Nintendo Network"

Ripped from the Security section

In April 2018, two separate groups discovered a method to use an exploit chain in the Tegra chip system that can be used to boot other software on the Switch. The exploit could not be patched through a software update, as the BootROM of the Tegra X1 can not be modified after the chip leaves the factory. Both groups had notified Nvidia and Nintendo of the exploit before publicly announcing their findings. Users studying the hardware determined that Nintendo has the capacity to permanently ban specific Switch consoles used to obtain software via this exploit from the Nintendo Network, as the Switch console includes a unique device identification code used as part of the validation to the Network. As games downloaded from the Nintendo Network include encrypted information that ties the Nintendo ID to the console, which is transmitted to Nintendo when users start playing games, Nintendo can track unapproved software downloads and take action. Nintendo has reportedly fixed the vulnerability in newer Switch units as of July 2018.

Nintendo Network and Nintendo ID should not be used here. Nintendo ID should instead be console ID and Nintendo Network should be referred to as "Nintendo's online services" instead. Network should no longer be capitalized. I am unable to edit this as I can't edit any semi secured pages yet BeanWiiU (talk) 21:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)